Head of the Housatonic

  • Hosted By: New Haven Rowing Club
  • USRowing Sanctioned Regatta
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Saturday, October 7, 2023
1 8:00 AM 8+ Masters Women
15
2 8:10 AM 4x Masters Women
4
3 8:15 AM 1x Open Men (No Juniors)
23
4 8:25 AM 1x Open Women (No Juniors)
4
5 8:35 AM 1x Junior Men
24
    Brunswick School Boat Club (A)
M. Kakoma
 
    Narragansett Boat Club (A)
C. Edgar-Smith
 
    Star Rowing Center LLC (A)
M. Lewis
 
    Star Rowing Center LLC (B)
J. Lowry
 
    V-Sculls (A)
D. Moses
 
    Litchfield Hills Rowing Club, Inc. (A)
R. Schulde
 
    V-Sculls (C)
G. Haroche
 
    Brunswick School Boat Club (B)
R. Eddy
 
    RowAmerica Greenwich (A)
L. Youngblood
 
    Rothesay Netherwood School (A)
S. Oxley
 
    Brunswick School Boat Club (C)
G. Kapp
 
    V-Sculls (B)
M. Ladyzhensky
 
    King School (A)
T. Aluf-Medina
 
    O.A.R.S., Inc. dba Albany Rowing Center (A)
K. Lue/
 
    Unaffiliated (USA) (A)
A. Nelson/
 
    Litchfield Hills Rowing Club, Inc. (B)
 
    O.A.R.S., Inc. dba Albany Rowing Center (B)
E. Li/
 
    RowAmerica Rye (A)
 
    Cortlandt Community Rowing Association, Inc. (A)
C. Franco
 
    Narragansett Boat Club (C)
N. Fortes
 
    Greenwich Country Day School (A)
A. Simko
 
    RowAmerica Rye (A)
 
    Narragansett Boat Club (B)
A. Lynch
 
    RowAmerica Greenwich (B)
E. Pond
 
6 8:45 AM 1x Junior Women
32
7 8:55 AM 1x Masters Men (50-59)
17
8 9:00 AM 1x Masters Women (50-59)
5
9 9:05 AM 1x Veteran Men (60-69) -- Bremser Cup
16
10 9:10 AM 1x Veteran Women (60-70+)
9
11 9:15 AM 1x Masters Ltwt Men
11
12 9:20 AM 1x Masters Ltwt Women
8
13 9:25 AM 1x Veteran Men (70+)
12
BREAK
14 9:40 AM Mens Collegiate Novice 8+
8
15 9:45 AM 2- Open Men (No Juniors)
5
16 9:50 AM 4x Junior Men
22
17 10:00 AM 4+ Masters Men
13
18 10:10 AM Mens Collegiate Novice 4+
1
19 10:10 AM Womens Collegiate Novice 4+
1
BREAK
20 10:25 AM 8+ Collegiate Men (IRA) -- HVA Cup
19
21 10:35 AM 8+ Collegiate Men (Non IRA) -- Directors Cup
18
22 10:45 AM 8+ Collegiate Women (Div I) -- Women's Cup
37
23 10:55 AM 8+ Collegiate Women (Non Div I) -- Directors Cup
9
24 11:05 AM 8+ Junior 2V Men (2nd 8+)
25
    RowAmerica Rye (A)
 
    Greenwich Crew (A)
E. Murphy/S. Estela/C. Santanna/T. Stowe/O. Willott/S. Wells/T. Leonard/S. Woody/C. Fullington (Cox)
 
    St. Joseph's Preparatory School (A)
L. Blaney/L. Rizzieri/A. Walker/W. Stutzman/G. Needham/C. Kuryluk/B. Paul/N. McCarthy/K. Grimes (Cox)
 
    RowAmerica Rye (A)
 
    Princeton National Rowing Association/Mercer (A)
R. Regan/W. Begley/L. Lehmann/A. Tien/E. Kalmar/C. Jiang/j. matchin/M. Navarrete/K. Bukosky (Cox)
 
    Saugatuck Rowing Club, LLC (B)
 
    St. John the Baptist DHS Crew (A)
J. Kornahrens/A. Thompson/B. Galdamez/D. Villanueva/T. Aluisa/B. Resch/J. Ingenito/R. Ramchand/S. Weiss (Cox)
 
    RowAmerica Rye (A)
 
    Greenwich Crew (B)
B. Brogan/T. Hatstadt/H. Rockel/T. Nestoros/M. Fishback/J. Berrett/H. Zeppelin/H. Lovejoy/A. Israel (Cox)
 
    Montclair High School (A)
M. Weker/O. Ford/F. Wilson/O. D'Amato/T. Borgenicht/J. Murphy/O. Kahn/W. BLIM/C. Loscalzo (Cox)
 
    St. Joseph's Preparatory School (B)
S. Sollie/J. Sullivan/S. Duffy/T. Massaua/H. Thompson/J. Bilko/L. Ruppersberger/P. Giangiordano/B. Hicks (Cox)
 
    Saugatuck Rowing Club, LLC (A)
 
    Port Rowing (A)
K. Isshiki/S. Cohen/l. tizzano/A. Yeung/H. Breene/J. Dong/E. Lago/S. Baris/S. Wright (Cox)/
 
    Brunswick School Boat Club (A)
 
    St. Joseph's Preparatory School (C)
S. Rodriguez-Lombardo/M. Rapone/A. Smith/A. Saunders/N. Goga/G. Massari/S. Malhi/A. McGlynn/P. Bradford (Cox)
 
    Pelham Community Rowing Association (A)
l. acosta/J. Fisher/I. Zhou/C. Gilder/C. Maganas/M. Logan/M. Bochner/A. Sharp/A. Kustin-Salee (Cox)
 
    Chaminade High School (A)
L. Robinson/N. Maisano/L. Rahner/V. Guerriero/W. Fried/H. Murphy/D. Viscusi/B. Lau/T. OKeefe (Cox)
 
    Fairfield Prep (A)
J. McElwain/A. Schwarz/M. Grant/L. Ippolito/L. Vivenzio/K. Manning/B. Cutri/W. Lockhart/A. Casas (Cox)
 
    Oyster Bay Community Rowing (A)
 
    Princeton National Rowing Association/Mercer (B)
Q. O'Donnell/J. McMahon/K. Kent/N. Franceschi/V. Lorish/H. Caputo/Q. Touzot/E. Justus/R. Kaycee (Cox)
 
    Greenwich Crew (C)
L. Rosenberg/W. Roach/N. Fischer/F. Rodrigues/Q. Sullivan/N. Hirschberg/A. Nandakumar/N. Fischer/A. Geisler (Cox)
 
    Chaminade High School (B)
W. Frohne/J. Whitsett/D. DeNatale/L. Flood/C. Grayson/N. Bauer/L. Bellissimo/L. Driscoll/L. Pjura (Cox)
 
    Pelham Community Rowing Association (B)
K. Nasr/C. Powell/O. Bandsma/L. Cohen/R. Armas/S. Markovic/L. Manz/A. Reilly/S. Doyle (Cox)
 
    Fairfield Prep (B)
B. Zazulak/I. O'Byrne/M. Riccobono/J. Voskov/G. Gjelaj/D. Galligan/H. Kellersman/c. rice/G. Zaun (Cox)
 
    Chaminade High School (C)
W. Sheehan/J. Panossian/J. Boison/C. Bellistri/J. Vasquez/R. Donohue/A. Kapoor/M. Simone/C. Dell (Cox)
 
25 11:15 AM 2x Masters Men
24
26 11:20 AM 2x Masters Women
18
27 11:30 AM 4+ Junior 2V Women (2nd 4+)
31
28 11:45 AM Mens Jr Novice 8+
24
    St. Joseph's Preparatory School (A)
L. Ruppersberger/M. Rapone/S. Morinigo/C. Kuryluk/D. Sweeney/M. Dopkin/G. Needham/C. Brumbach Hannan/K. Grimes (Cox)
 
    RowAmerica Rye (A)
R. Hanrahan/E. Albertini Mason/F. Caminiti/G. Dolce/I. Rabinowitz/B. Chen/L. Friedman/A. Arouh/J. Rotondo (Cox)
 
    Greenwich Crew (A)
N. Riley/R. Sarin/D. Cooke/C. McDermott/N. Nedungadi/M. Kelley/A. Perez-Serrano McArthur/M. Fonte/A. Giordano (Cox)
 
    RowAmerica Rye (A)
M. Kroloff/L. Isaacs/N. Sellar/A. Ramaswamy/T. Madigan/D. Smith/J. Gallagher/T. Briscoe/A. Kumar (Cox)
 
    Chaminade High School (A)
Z. Winheim/P. McGoldrick/A. Marosfoi/K. O’Neill/V. Castrofilippo/E. Kontopoulos Rose/H. Chatterton/M. Maloney/L. Curatola (Cox)
 
    Saugatuck Rowing Club, LLC (B)
G. Marshall/J. Kiely/A. Shapiro/N. Satish Kumar/C. Fitzpatrick/J. Jacob/D. Evans/D. Bhutani/A. Alberino (Cox)
 
    Princeton National Rowing Association/Mercer (A)
A. Ahuja/C. Cote/A. De Sanctis/G. McDonough/A. Karra/B. Washburn/C. Tien/T. Huang/J. Koyfman (Cox)
 
    Brunswick School Boat Club (A)
R. Pollack/T. Murray/H. Saunders/D. Rodgers/I. Henry/N. O'Connor/P. Martone/M. Lanson/J. Koester (Cox)
 
    Fairfield Prep (A)
C. LaBrecque/A. Prostor/C. Rennie/J. Seroff/M. Maccaro/B. Cleary/C. Wurm/K. Sullivan/J. Singewald (Cox)
 
    Greenwich Crew (B)
J. Edward/K. Murai/W. Curtis/G. Duben/E. Capitanucci/G. Kruse/T. Tejada/V. Estela/N. Bhandari (Cox)
 
    St. Joseph's Preparatory School (B)
L. Weston/N. Goga/S. Sollie/J. Bilko/S. Duffy/D. Campanaro/A. Barrimond/G. Small/M. McCloskey (Cox)
 
    Oyster Bay Community Rowing (A)
T. Kamback/E. Zeltser/L. Verbanac/A. Liu/A. Deng/I. Louie/D. Keselman/K. Chen/S. Charron (Cox)
 
    Chaminade High School (B)
A. Gaylor/H. Forte/E. Roche/T. Cox/L. Garcia/J. Bardolf/Q. Heptig/B. McGoldrick/M. Loonam (Cox)
 
    Litchfield Hills Rowing Club, Inc. (A)
G. Harlow/A. McLeran/R. Schulde/K. Pennington/A. Grivner/J. Driscoll/O. Frechette/J. Sims/H. Harlow (Cox)/
 
    Notre Dame Crew (A)
C. Brennan/T. Falls/C. Wilk/A. Tomlinson/R. Hescock/H. Jinks/C. Jeffrey/R. Bereski/N. Bauer (Cox)
 
    RowAmerica Rye (A)
T. Lee/L. Liow/P. Buckner-Wolfson/J. Buttigieg/C. Thomas/M. Balentine/L. Lee/B. Tunkey/S. Cabrera (Cox)
 
    Saugatuck Rowing Club, LLC (A)
J. Mello/S. Turok/Z. Worraker/G. Remley/H. Basham/A. Proctor/B. Weiner/W. Firmedner/E. Nasar (Cox)
 
    Fairfield Prep (B)
D. Hawks/B. Kral/J. WHITBECK/M. Butler/A. Shinde/D. McMahon/W. Davis/J. Pezzimenti/A. Testo (Cox)
 
    Pelham Community Rowing Association (A)
T. MacMillan/W. Lepore/H. Wallace/S. KEERTHI/L. Miller/T. Wang/A. Klancnik/A. Jenner/E. Koff (Cox)
 
    Greenwich Crew (C)
S. Rose/W. Carrescia/S. Duben/J. Jhamb/H. Sides/F. Alvarez/T. Viefers/M. Roitman/M. Laudieri (Cox)
 
    Princeton National Rowing Association/Mercer (B)
H. Kaputa/B. Collins/S. Calderon Chubb/E. Kalmar/C. Katz/K. Gibbs/J. Kovalick/A. Li/K. Cote (Cox)
 
    Riverfront Recapture, Inc. (A)
M. Rich/A. Agarwal/C. Gottesmann/J. Abebe/H. James/M. Knoblauch/J. Probolus/M. Velazquez Ramos/K. Sulewski (Cox)
 
    Chaminade High School (C)
A. Schreck/S. Gutman/M. Griffin/L. Santucci/J. Scheuermann/J. Dias/O. Mullane/S. Egan/M. Foresto (Cox)
 
    Oyster Bay Community Rowing (B)
E. Ha/A. Amurao/R. Si/S. Tomar/B. Huang/N. Bhutani/A. Gervasi/a. halkias/C. Dias (Cox)
 
29 11:55 AM Womens Jr Novice 8+
12
LUNCH BREAK
30 1:00 PM 8+ Junior 1V Men (1st 8+) -- Champions Cup
27
    Greenwich Crew (A)
M. Willott/N. Govindaraj/J. Markline/M. Chung/a. willott/P. Giannakopoulos/H. Cullen/R. Tanakamaru/S. Jaffe (Cox)
 
    St. Joseph's Preparatory School (A)
P. Watson/G. Santaniello/B. Montgomery/M. Dopkin/S. Morinigo/E. Holmes/N. Haralambous/R. Pelton/M. Kain (Cox)
 
    RowAmerica Rye (A)
 
    Saugatuck Rowing Club, LLC (C)
 
    Saugatuck Rowing Club, LLC (B)
 
    St. Joseph's Preparatory School (B)
P. Finnerty/N. Santaniello/K. Grose/K. Murray/J. Kaness/J. Jawork/J. Fontanilla/N. Kover/L. Joseph (Cox)
 
    Greenwich Crew (B)
B. Zeller/C. Sernick/H. Garcia/T. Fiorito/C. Capitanucci/G. Raabe/P. Murphey/T. Ornstein/E. Zeppelin (Cox)
 
    St. Joseph's Preparatory School (C)
J. McConaghy/R. Kaness/T. McGovern/P. Schmidt/D. Sweeney/C. Brumbach Hannan/I. Lamken/M. Rachubinski/D. Kaiser (Cox)
 
    Salisbury School (A)
 
    Port Rowing (58)
B. Lumi/V. Villalobos/J. Macri/V. DiPalo/J. White/w. fogarty/D. Eigen/C. DENNINGER/S. Blumenfeld (Cox)/
 
    Chaminade High School (A)
M. Jones/J. Prosceo/T. Schultz/J. Fitzgerald/R. Buonpastore/J. Casamassima/M. Farrell/A. Priolo/J. Hakes (Cox)
 
    RowAmerica Rye (A)
 
    Montclair High School (A)
L. Gagnon/C. Phariss/B. Pirkle/D. Chacon/J. Kugelmass/L. Cronin/J. Nelissen/J. Walker/C. Knutzen (Cox)
 
    Chaminade High School (B)
P. Kaloudis/A. Lo Russo/S. Boyce/M. Jungen/C. Iadevaia/H. Murphy/C. Moclair/B. Lau/J. Zullo (Cox)
 
    Riverfront Recapture, Inc. (A)
A. Keegan/D. Hazelton/C. Collin/R. Bogli/W. Abrams/C. Champagne/F. Ciccarello/Z. Wierzynski/L. Ahern (Cox)
 
    Cortlandt Community Rowing Association, Inc. (A)
C. Franco/N. Garcia/D. Labbate/M. parker/A. Gray/E. Paterno/C. Flahaven/K. Essell/L. Loudig (Cox)/
 
    Fairfield Prep (A)
W. McMahon/W. Close/J. Louw/W. Davis/P. Lynch/P. Grace/H. Johnson/J. Pezzimenti/P. Martins (Cox)
 
    Brunswick School Boat Club (A)
H. Putnam/T. Lugo/Q. Evans/J. Murphy/H. Roth/J. Schwarz/C. Sulkowski/C. Dahnke/S. Veiner (Cox)
 
    King School (A)
 
    Nereid Boat Club, Inc. (A)
K. Cengiz/M. Levi/E. Wang/V. Ferullo/L. Dolak/J. Sprayberry/W. Bush/J. Taddei/J. Kim (Cox)
 
    Saugatuck Rowing Club, LLC (A)
J. Kiely/G. Marshall/A. Montanaro/B. Whelan/T. Herzog/C. Cohen/W. Shockley/D. Bhutani/G. Bentley (Cox)
 
    Princeton National Rowing Association/Mercer (A)
C. Huckel/O. Brown/F. McGrath/B. Hendrickson/N. Myers/a. chowdhary/H. Alston/T. Balavoine/G. Zammit (Cox)
 
    Pelham Community Rowing Association (A)
I. McCloskey/C. Corcione/M. Purcea/O. Wallace/B. Wallace/V. Dhaliwal/J. Wilson/J. Kolodner/J. Cohen (Cox)
 
    RowAmerica Rye (A)
 
    Shaker Rowing Association/High School (A)
 
    Port Rowing (B)
N. Goodman/J. Eleoterio/F. Stulbaum/O. Qian/P. Hebbar/D. Borell/
 
    Chaminade High School (C)
L. Geeraerts/M. Atteritano/G. Morin/C. Gueli/T. Stoeber/L. Suraci/G. DiPaola/M. Barbella/B. Kinnane (Cox)
 
31 1:10 PM 8+ Junior 1V Women (1st 8+) -- Champions Cup
20
32 1:20 PM 4+ Open Men (incl. Collegiate; no Jrs.)
15
33 1:25 PM Womens Collegiate Novice 8+
8
34 1:30 PM 4x Junior Women
28
35 1:40 PM 8+ Junior 2V Women (2nd 8+)
18
36 1:50 PM Womens Open 4+ (incl. Collegiate; no Jrs.)
16
37 2:00 PM 4+ Junior 2V Men (2nd 4+)
27
    RowAmerica Rye (A)
 
    St. Joseph's Preparatory School (A)
L. Blaney/L. Rizzieri/A. Walker/W. Stutzman/K. Grimes (Cox)
 
    RowAmerica Rye (A)
 
    St. Joseph's Preparatory School (B)
G. Needham/C. Kuryluk/B. Paul/N. McCarthy/B. Hicks (Cox)
 
    Brunswick School Boat Club (A)
 
    Greenwich Crew (A)
B. Brogan/T. Hatstadt/H. Rockel/T. Nestoros/A. Israel (Cox)
 
    RowAmerica Rye (A)
 
    Princeton National Rowing Association/Mercer (A)
R. Regan/A. Tien/L. Lehmann/M. Navarrete/V. Thejaswi (Cox)
 
    Greenwich Crew (B)
M. Fishback/J. Berrett/H. Zeppelin/T. Lovejoy/M. Napolitano Serrao (Cox)
 
    St. Joseph's Preparatory School (C)
S. Sollie/J. Sullivan/S. Duffy/T. Massaua/P. Bradford (Cox)
 
    Frederick Gunn School (A)
 
    Princeton National Rowing Association/Mercer (B)
Q. O'Donnell/V. Lorish/N. Franceschi/Q. Touzot/J. Ehee (Cox)
 
    Saugatuck Rowing Club, LLC (A)
 
    Litchfield Hills Rowing Club, Inc. (A)
 
    King School (A)
M. Krueger/S. Neckritz/J. Dohil/T. Ellis/G. Dietz (Cox)
 
    Oyster Bay Community Rowing (A)
 
    Star Rowing Center LLC (A)
B. Zipkin/H. Tanner/J. Mokotoff/N. Jacob/S. Sze (Cox)
 
    Princeton National Rowing Association/Mercer (C)
K. Kent/H. Caputo/J. McMahon/E. Justus/R. Kaycee (Cox)
 
    Chaminade High School (A)
R. Buonpastore/L. Rahner/J. Prosceo/D. Viscusi/C. Upton (Cox)
 
    South Jersey Rowing Club (A)
 
    St. John the Baptist DHS Crew (A)
J. McMurray/M. Kornahrens/T. Aluisa/M. Burns/A. Cardi (Cox)
 
    Litchfield Hills Rowing Club, Inc. (B)
 
    Salisbury School (B)
 
    Greenwich Crew (C)
W. Curtis/V. Estela/M. Zolotarevsky/K. Murai/S. Woodbridge (Cox)
 
    Montclair High School (A)
F. Wilson/I. MULCAHY/J. Vecchione/C. Anderson-Howard/A. Rai (Cox)
 
    Port Rowing (A)
S. Baris/l. tizzano/S. Cohen/K. Isshiki/S. Blumenfeld (Cox)/
 
    Oyster Bay Community Rowing (B)
 
38 2:15 PM 2x Masters Mixed
13
39 2:20 PM 4+ Masters Women
16
40 2:30 PM 2- Open Women (No Juniors)
0
41 2:35 PM Yale Alumni 8+
8
42 2:45 PM 8+ Masters Men -- Jonathan Bass Memorial Trophy
7
43 2:50 PM 4x Masters Men
9
44 2:55 PM 4+ Junior 1V Men (1st 4+)
34
    Brunswick School Boat Club (A)
 
    Salisbury School (A)
 
    St. Joseph's Preparatory School (A)
P. Watson/G. Santaniello/S. Morinigo/K. Murray/L. Joseph (Cox)
 
    RowAmerica Rye (A)
 
    RowAmerica Rye (A)
 
    Saugatuck Rowing Club, LLC (A)
A. Montanaro/B. Whelan/J. Kiely/G. Marshall/O. Mascera (Cox)
 
    St. Joseph's Preparatory School (B)
B. Montgomery/M. Dopkin/K. Grose/E. Holmes/M. Kain (Cox)
 
    Greenwich Crew (A)
E. Murphy/S. Estela/T. Leonard/S. Woody/A. Clark (Cox)
 
    Greenwich Crew (B)
C. Santanna/T. Stowe/O. Willott/S. Wells/C. Fullington (Cox)
 
    Montclair High School (A)
L. Gagnon/C. Phariss/J. Kugelmass/D. Chacon/C. Knutzen (Cox)
 
    Saugatuck Rowing Club, LLC (B)
W. Shockley/C. Cohen/T. Herzog/D. Bhutani/R. Seeliger (Cox)
 
    RowAmerica Rye (A)
 
    Litchfield Hills Rowing Club, Inc. (A)
 
    St. Joseph's Preparatory School (C)
P. Finnerty/N. Santaniello/N. Haralambous/R. Pelton/D. Kaiser (Cox)
 
    Notre Dame Crew (A)
 
    Port Rowing (A)
V. Villalobos/J. Macri/C. DENNINGER/D. Eigen/A. Meserino (Cox)/
 
    Frederick Gunn School (A)
 
    Shaker Rowing Association/High School (A)
 
    King School (A)
T. Aluf-Medina/S. Phillips/R. Costa/M. Wachter/Z. Lew (Cox)
 
    Nereid Boat Club, Inc. (A)
K. Cengiz/C. Rosenberg/N. Antich/M. Levi/J. Kim (Cox)
 
    Greenwich Country Day School (A)
 
    South Jersey Rowing Club (A)
 
    Chaminade High School (A)
N. Maisano/L. Driscoll/D. DeNatale/N. Bauer/M. Iorio (Cox)
 
    Oyster Bay Community Rowing (A)
 
    Riverfront Recapture, Inc. (A)
F. Seeley/C. Rose/I. Zitzkat/E. Kane/E. Song (Cox)
 
    Pelham Community Rowing Association (A)
 
    Princeton National Rowing Association/Mercer (A)
C. Huckel/O. Brown/F. McGrath/B. Hendrickson/G. Zammit (Cox)
 
    Princeton National Rowing Association/Mercer (B)
T. Balavoine/N. Myers/a. chowdhary/H. Alston/J. Ehee (Cox)
 
    Cortlandt Community Rowing Association, Inc. (A)
J. Shea/J. Van Dekker/J. Becker/B. Mulligan/K. Kecskes (Cox)/
 
    Salisbury School (A)
 
    St. John the Baptist DHS Crew (A)
L. Vene/C. Cross/C. Doblan/J. Herrick/C. Beatty (Cox)
 
    South Jersey Rowing Club (A)
 
    Oyster Bay Community Rowing (C)
 
    Princeton National Rowing Association/Mercer (C)
W. Begley/E. Kalmar/C. Jiang/j. matchin/K. Bukosky (Cox)
 
45 3:10 PM 4+ Junior 1V Women (1st 4+)
29
46 Beachfront Tent Sites
9
    Brunswick School Boat Club
 
    Connecticut Boat Club
 
    Fairfield University Rowing
 
    Narragansett Boat Club
 
    Nereid Boat Club, Inc.
 
    RowAmerica Rye
 
    RowAmerica Rye
 
    St. Joseph's Preparatory School
 
    St. Joseph's Preparatory School
 
47 Waterfront Tent Sites
31
*-Event times, if listed, are tentative and subject to change