5th Manny Flick / Horvat Series

  • Hosted By: Philadelphia Scholastic Rowing Association

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Sunday, April 17, 2016
1 Girls Gig/Novice 1x
3
2 Girls Freshman/Novice 2x
8
3 Girls Novice 4+
9
4 Girls Freshman 4+
9
5 Girls Novice 8+
17
6 Girls Novice 4x
6
7 Girls Freshman 4x
7
8 Girls Freshman 8+
17
9 Girls JV 1x
3
10 Girls JV 2x
13
11 Girls JV 4+
26
12 Girls JV 4x
11
13 Girls JV 8+
17
14 Girls Ltwt 2x
12
15 Girls Ltwt 4+
12
16 Girls Ltwt 4x
4
17 Girls Ltwt 8+
2
18 Girls 2nd 8+
8
19 Girls Varsity 1x
10
20 Girls Varsity 2x
14
21 Girls Varsity 2-
1
22 Girls Varsity 4+
23
23 Girls Varsity 4x
9
24 Girls Varsity 8+
16
25 Boys Gig/Novice 1x
5
26 Boys Freshman/Novice 2x
12
27 Boys Novice 4+
22
28 Boys Freshman 4+
8
29 Boys Novice 8+
24
    Archbishop Carroll High School (A)
S. Theroulde/A. Crosby/T. Howard/T. Mellon/E. Morton/H. Gao/D. Sullivan/G. Higgins/K. McCormack (Cox)
 
    Charter School of Wilmington (DE) (A)
J. Neumann/A. Knestaut/W. Nyce/Y. Sheen/E. Long/B. Chmiel/H. Nagandla/J. Gallagher/M. Deputy (Cox)
 
    Concord High School (A)
Z. Pantle/D. Fox/J. Reid/R. San Gabriel/L. Hayes/B. Powers/A. Menon/S. Shakamuri/K. Browne (Cox)
 
    Egg Harbor Township High School (A)
J. Pickard/A. Perez/S. Solomon/K. Poblete/C. Burkett/C. Peskoff/V. Spena/D. Dunlap/A. Rivera (Cox)
 
    Great Valley Crew (A)
 
    Haddonfield Crew Club (A)
R. Meyer/C. Malcarney/A. Small/W. Bentley/A. Kurtz/C. Marchese/C. Fagan/C. Simms/P. Fortunato (Cox)
 
    Holy Ghost Preparatory School (A)
Z. Geiser/N. Arndt/A. Greatti/S. Spencer/J. Zampirri/E. Fenstermaker/M. Vigliotti/K. Cartin/G. Bautz (Cox)
 
    Kearny High School (A)
M. Cordeiro/A. Santiago/M. Almeida/H. Cerqueira/A. Lucio/J. Barros/A. Navas/T. Martins/A. Azevedo (Cox)
 
    La Salle College High School (A)
Z. Reinhardt/N. Borrelli/W. Altier/A. Wilsey/D. Horan/J. Hope/D. Comerford/H. Lund/A. Melinson (Cox)
 
    Ocean City Crew Boosters, Inc. (A)
 
    Owen J Roberts Rowing Club (A)
T. Hansen/J. O'Donnell/A. Brown/H. Pearson/D. Wierzbicki/J. Vallino/J. Garvey/K. Waldhof/A. Edleman (Cox)
 
    Philadelphia City Rowing, Inc. (A)
 
    Radnor High School Crew Club (A)
T. Ciatto/P. Kaper/Z. Taylor/A. DeNolfo/B. Meandro/A. douglas/S. O'Riordan/A. Davis/N. Pepper (Cox)
 
    Seton Hall Prep (A)
J. Mehl/C. Weber/D. Morace/T. Cvik/C. Devine/B. Angelo/A. Angelo/J. McConeghy/W. Singer (Cox)
 
    St. Augustine Preparatory High School (A)
C. Carey/M. Anderson/D. Crilly/R. Belansen III/O. Lang/R. Houck/D. Barrett/N. Gross/A. Dragovits (Cox)
 
    St. Benedict's Preparatory School (A)
 
    St. Joseph's Preparatory School (A)
 
    The Episcopal Academy - PA (A)
S. McGarrity/J. Pusey/A. Peters/A. Bendinelli/M. Bond/L. Giordano/N. Peyton/S. Sices/R. Copit (Cox)
 
    Unionville High School (A)
I. Quain/R. Ward/J. Steuteville/G. Reath/N. Hunter/J. Doyle/A. Kannenberg/B. Horine/L. Henzel (Cox)
 
    Holy Ghost Preparatory School (B)
S. Donohue/A. Dattilo/A. Danna/T. Geib/C. Landers/M. Kennedy/J. Riti/W. Adams/A. Cancelliere (Cox)
 
    La Salle College High School (B)
D. Szyszko/J. Fluehr/Z. Roche/S. Schmidt/M. Curvan/D. Patete/P. Hope/C. Curran/K. Dowling (Cox)
 
    St. Augustine Preparatory High School (B)
D. Selin/J. D'Ambrosio/R. Loftis/J. Garcia/A. DiPadova/m. cohan/M. Dortu/R. Campbell/t. Fawcett (Cox)
 
    St. Joseph's Preparatory School (B)
 
    The Episcopal Academy - PA (B)
A. Landaiche/J. Landaiche/P. Zirnkilton/j. purtill/A. McMeekin/T. Vadot/R. Ali/P. Tang/M. Peters (Cox)
 
30 Boys Novice 4x
12
31 Boys Freshman 4x
9
32 Boys Freshman 8+
17
    Cedar Creek High School (A)
Z. Rose/N. Coppola/R. Jones/C. Krawiec/R. Prince/K. Smith/R. James/J. Manson/B. Ortiz (Cox)
 
    Christian Brothers Academy Crew (CBA) (A)
J. Memon/A. Baker/M. Mojares/G. Johnson/H. Clark/J. Enright/S. Ridoux/C. Ramos/F. Wright (Cox)
 
    Don Bosco Preparatory High School (A)
E. Mortati/e. gabriele/A. Cristiano/A. Kallas/M. Swartzberg/P. Swartzberg/A. Chang/R. Eitner/S. Dalton (Cox)
 
    Holy Spirit High School (A)
 
    Iona Preparatory School (A)
M. Berardini/S. Cummins/J. Akalski/B. Dwyer/K. Cam/J. Oleskovic/D. Sealy/L. Silva/N. Calbo (Cox)
 
    Jesuit College Prep of Dallas (A)
W. Courtney/R. Freimuth/M. Harkness/L. Songy/J. McClure/S. Reyes/B. Wierschem/S. Mendoza/E. Bandiera (Cox)
 
    La Salle College High School (A)
S. Daly/T. DeLuca/E. Lemanowicz/J. Klohoker/J. Cassizzi/J. Torres/O. Verrill/C. Brown/C. Meadows (Cox)
 
    Lower Merion High School Crew (Ardmore) (A)
 
    Mainland Regional High School (A)
 
    Montclair High School (A)
T. Weil/J. Connors/A. Abuhoff/P. Schroeder/L. Cooperman/J. Zincani/J. Rosen/J. Brumbach/J. Halpern (Cox)
 
    Moorestown Rowing Club (A)
 
    Nutley High School Crew (A)
 
    Ocean City Crew Boosters, Inc. (A)
 
    Saratoga Rowing Association, Inc./ Saratoga Springs High School (A)
M. Fairley/P. Hoffman/D. Signor/J. Schwartz/S. Hogan/C. Levy/A. Fragomeni/B. Weatherwax/L. Mastrianni (Cox)
 
    St. Augustine Preparatory High School (A)
A. Autuore/M. Doliszny/E. Lang/B. Lisgar/J. Lascale/A. Powelczyk/M. Visalli/J. Filler/D. Kiniry (Cox)
 
    St. Joseph's Preparatory School (A)
 
    St. Peters Preparatory School (A)
J. Mcgann/J. Anderson/M. Nelson/P. Pasquali/J. Millar/T. Sarmiento/M. Coacher/D. Yee/T. Muller (Cox)
 
33 Boys JV 1x
14
34 Boys JV 2x
12
35 Boys JV 4+
29
    Absegami High School (A)
G. Spagnoli/S. Bailey/S. Blair/J. McAllister/A. Palmieri (Cox)
 
    Atlantic City High School (A)
J. Craig/M. Marshall/Y. Parekh/B. Ceron/N. Fabi (Cox)
 
    Belleville High School (A)
M. Soriano/T. Neira/J. Arteaga/K. Shaw/A. Parekh (Cox)
 
    Bishop Eustace Prep Crew (A)
J. Khalifa/M. Bifulco/T. Murtha/Z. Zacierka/V. Guevara (Cox)
 
    Bonner Rowing Association - Bonner & Prendergast Catholic High School (A)
L. Salter/B. Fertig/C. Boyle/C. O'Neill/D. Watts (Cox)/
 
    Charter School of Wilmington (DE) (A)
G. Subers/T. Leighton/R. Starr/J. Fickes/R. Reynolds (Cox)
 
    Christian Brothers Academy Crew (CBA) (A)
J. DiStefano/B. Hampton/S. Matthews/M. Toppi/W. Petersen (Cox)
 
    Churchill Crew (A)
A. Stern/N. Prokos/J. Cutler/G. Blackwell/E. Snider (Cox)
 
    Concord High School (A)
J. Pfander/N. Reith/T. Narvell/J. Weeks/L. Taylor (Cox)
 
    Doane Academy (A)
B. Jablonski/E. Koch/M. Kuhlman/B. Mathews/E. Mathews (Cox)
 
    Don Bosco Preparatory High School (A)
N. Baginski/L. Martin/C. Stone/P. Rice/C. O'Malley (Cox)
 
    Holy Spirit High School (A)
 
    Kearny High School (A)
C. Grimm/L. Glazewski/J. Baptista/S. Moreno/S. Szymanski (Cox)
 
    La Salle College High School (A)
S. Harkins/J. Singletary/D. Junkin/J. Schwarz/M. Fabrizio (Cox)
 
    Lourdes Rowing Association - Our Lady of Lourdes (A)
J. MacKay/S. Coluccio/D. Pafumi/P. Seiler/C. Mac Kay (Cox)
 
    Lower Merion High School Crew (Ardmore) (A)
 
    Mainland Regional High School (A)
R. Bongiovanni/C. Bonilla/A. Garth/E. Hegenbart/S. Baker (Cox)
 
    Nutley High School Crew (A)
 
    Owen J Roberts Rowing Club (A)
C. Hansen/E. Sager/M. Amadio/R. Kelly/E. Selvaggio (Cox)
 
    Philadelphia City Rowing, Inc. (A)
 
    Radnor High School Crew Club (A)
J. Boudreau/S. NEAGOE/J. Craig/R. Conklyn/J. Talucci (Cox)
 
    St. Benedict's Preparatory School (A)
 
    St. Joseph's Preparatory School (A)
 
    St. Peters Preparatory School (A)
D. Dias/K. Fell/J. McGuire/M. McGinley/N. Charas (Cox)
 
    The Episcopal Academy - PA (A)
K. Hogan/P. LeRoux/T. Woodville/T. Baker/S. Kresge (Cox)
 
    The Hill School (A)
I. Morzan/E. Patrinostro/E. Wheeler/M. Crispin/A. Patrinostro (Cox)
 
    The Shipley School (A)
J. Moore/J. Stewart/J. Weiss/G. Becker/T. ROGERS (Cox)
 
    Vineland High School (A)
 
    Walter Johnson Crew Club Inc (A)
T. Willliams/W. Cooper/G. Ovington/W. Casey/C. Bowers (Cox)
 
36 Boys JV 4x
12
37 Boys JV 8+
25
    Christian Brothers Academy Crew (CBA) (A)
 
    Egg Harbor Township High School (A)
D. Simeo/R. Rice/C. Peskoff/M. Luong/S. Solomon/A. Perez/J. Pickard/Z. Ballard/A. Rivera (Cox)
 
    Father Judge High School (A)
A. Rodriguez/M. Gilmore/A. Zin/E. Keal/J. Cehlar/M. Midzak/J. Mclaughlin/R. Parkes/J. Monteiro (Cox)
 
    Haddonfield Crew Club (A)
K. Noone/P. Amons/A. Elzey/T. Waltimyer/J. Passarella/B. Masclans/C. Vielehr/F. McNamara/J. Brubaker (Cox)
 
    Iona Preparatory School (A)
J. Dell'Orto/Z. Falch/W. Lemoine/Z. Santo/M. Coviello/O. O'Meara/C. Donnelly/M. Worth/J. Kramer (Cox)
 
    Kearny High School (A)
J. Ramon/M. Hinostroza/A. Torres/S. queiruga/A. Olivera/J. Alem/K. Pineda/M. Bedon/T. Miranda (Cox)
 
    La Salle College High School (A)
N. Cooper/D. Alexander/B. Sweeney/J. Guerin/L. Roberts/E. Pinder/J. Tyrrell/P. Caulfield/C. Freedman (Cox)
 
    Lower Merion High School Crew (Ardmore) (A)
L. Birch/H. Segal/A. Balciunas/H. McHenry/B. Smolen/I. Cachon/E. Goldstein/P. Castellucci/S. Wang (Cox)
 
    Mainland Regional High School (A)
 
    Montclair High School (A)
W. Collins/G. Vrotsos-Rogers/H. Mckenzie-Nozari/J. MacCallum/P. Mihalis/E. Kline/B. Feltz/A. Bradley/A. Firestone (Cox)
 
    Moorestown Rowing Club (A)
 
    Nutley High School Crew (A)
 
    Ocean City Crew Boosters, Inc. (A)
 
    St. Augustine Preparatory High School (A)
B. Hughes/N. Whiteman/C. Seabrook/T. Parnell/N. Cullmann/N. Hutchinson/R. LaBrosse/D. Davis/B. Silla (Cox)
 
    St. Joseph's Preparatory School (A)
 
    St. Peters Preparatory School (A)
S. Phelan/C. Lerner/W. Curtis/R. Vivenzio/A. Applegarth/R. Ramos/J. Cruciani/D. McCarthy/D. Espino (Cox)
 
    Unionville High School (A)
C. Shearer/B. Nilsen/A. Wang/E. Renzetti/J. Lehmann/C. Kelley/S. Short/D. Kannenberg/M. Thornton (Cox)
 
    Upper Merion High School (A)
A. Szerszen/C. Kaminski/A. Ewing/J. Chang/B. Pearson/C. Willauer/M. Szerszen/E. Kuhn/Z. Pillart (Cox)
 
    Vineland High School (A)
 
    Walter Johnson Crew Club Inc (A)
A. Boudabbous/H. Karlin/B. Koenig/T. Zhao/D. Gottron/A. Carrillo/S. Gonzalez-Valencia/A. Tang/J. Lupo (Cox)
 
    Iona Preparatory School (B)
J. Billings/J. Trerotoli/D. Páez/A. Bartholet/S. Power/P. Gaughan/M. Sparta/M. Holderman/R. Kingston (Cox)
 
    Moorestown Rowing Club (B)
 
    St. Augustine Preparatory High School (B)
P. Orecchia/J. Campbell/O. Borai/A. Snyder/M. Cottrell/J. Kirk/Z. diDonato/A. Chmelowitz/J. DeFoney (Cox)
 
    St. Joseph's Preparatory School (B)
 
    St. Peters Preparatory School (B)
A. Maxwell/G. Nacheff/W. Mchugh/R. Dungan/D. Whitehead/A. Williams/B. Kane/C. Casiano/D. Malleo (Cox)
 
38 Boys Ltwt 2x
9
39 Boys Ltwt 4+
9
    Father Judge High School (A)
A. Feeney/J. Comas/N. Tennesen/P. Zawycky/J. Gosse (Cox)
 
    Harriton High School (A)
 
    La Salle College High School (A)
G. Hamilton/G. Obermeier/A. Winkler/T. Longo/M. Kylander (Cox)
 
    Nutley High School Crew (A)
 
    Radnor High School Crew Club (A)
Z. Shalev/M. Kellett/H. south/J. O'Riordan/I. Hain (Cox)
 
    St. Benedict's Preparatory School (A)
 
    St. Joseph's Preparatory School (A)
 
    St. Peters Preparatory School (A)
J. Niland/G. Corry/E. Adillon/J. Alegria/J. Halligan (Cox)
 
    The Haverford School (A)
C. Delaney/H. Scarlato/C. Callegari/G. Rubin/J. Block (Cox)
 
40 Boys Ltwt 4x
3
41 Boys Ltwt 8+
10
    Atlantic City High School (A)
D. Duffin/B. Cress/S. Marchel/G. Walters/M. Bhuiyan/E. Polanco/b. share/J. Iannelli/D. Hardiman (Cox)
 
    Christian Brothers Academy Crew (CBA) (A)
 
    Don Bosco Preparatory High School (A)
C. Mudrick/P. Walker/O. Cordaro/T. D'Arpino/M. Vazquez/M. OKeefe/T. Scharfenberger/M. Bucher/S. Solazzo (Cox)
 
    Haddonfield Crew Club (A)
C. Fagan/J. Buttaro/D. Popp/W. Glennon/A. Coty/I. Jacobowitz/E. Tranfalia/J. Rosandich/J. Richards (Cox)
 
    La Salle College High School (A)
C. Bibeau/L. Kelley/J. McCormick/T. Nagle/M. Cross/J. Rilling/A. Rosato/B. Ernst/C. Blewitt (Cox)
 
    Moorestown Rowing Club (A)
 
    Radnor High School Crew Club (A)
N. Morris/A. DONNELLY/S. Ching/D. Addis/R. Subak/R. Borowski/C. Atillasoy/P. Gaddameedi/Z. Pepper (Cox)
 
    St. Augustine Preparatory High School (A)
G. Gitto/C. Fletcher/C. Fair/R. SULLIVAN/D. Patragnoni/S. Carlin/A. Fama/G. Zappariello/G. Finizio (Cox)
 
    St. Joseph's Preparatory School (A)
 
    St. Augustine Preparatory High School (B)
C. Browne/T. Hunt/A. D'Amelio/A. Dailey/C. Dragovits/J. Galushka/J. Silva/N. Canuso/J. Copperman (Cox)
 
42 Boys 2nd 8+
9
    Archbishop Carroll High School (A)
W. Horsell/J. Harrison/J. Conners/J. Chubin/C. Evans/C. Kellogg/D. Carroll/W. Dowd/M. Tomassetti (Cox)
 
    Jesuit College Prep of Dallas (A)
L. Edelmann/A. Trautman/J. Reyes/W. Cave/W. Name/R. Wierschem/C. Walters/N. Wheeler/H. Droese (Cox)
 
    La Salle College High School (A)
A. Virkler/O. Hinkley/C. Fowler/D. Furmanski/S. Kuhl/M. Galbally/B. Sweeney/N. Armetta/E. Funchion (Cox)
 
    Montclair High School (A)
D. Traore/C. DeSmith/D. Murphy/P. King/H. Vecchione/J. Tapper/C. Kaloudis/B. Muldoon/C. Rosenberg (Cox)
 
    Oakcrest Falcon H.S. Crew (A)
 
    Ocean City Crew Boosters, Inc. (A)
 
    St. Augustine Preparatory High School (A)
J. McCall/J. Olson/J. LaBarth/J. Bowker/M. Sutter/N. Schalek/P. Powers/C. Spalding/G. Winterburn (Cox)
 
    St. Joseph's Preparatory School (A)
 
    La Salle College High School (B)
C. Tomlinson/D. Schwartz/J. Tyrrell/B. Shelley/J. McMonagle/R. cramer/J. Fus/M. Greatti/J. Ellis (Cox)
 
43 Boys Varsity 1x
10
44 Boys Varsity 2x
21
45 Boys Varsity 2-
4
46 Boys Varsity 4+
24
    Absegami High School (A)
E. Shugarts/B. Chorpenning/J. Miller/G. Morales/J. McAllister (Cox)
 
    Atlantic City High School (A)
V. Brock/A. Marzook/Z. Stecher/A. Dao/T. Dewair (Cox)
 
    Bishop Eustace Prep Crew (A)
J. Propp/J. Stuckert/C. Reck/D. Wenzke/C. Palmer (Cox)
 
    Bonner Rowing Association - Bonner & Prendergast Catholic High School (A)
C. Lichterman/D. Dwyer/B. McElwee/A. Mcelwee/M. McMenamin (Cox)/
 
    Cedar Creek High School (A)
D. White/D. Disbrow/K. Capaldi/M. Maskos/M. Kehrli (Cox)
 
    Charter School of Wilmington (DE) (A)
A. King/E. Mullen/M. Huhn/S. Namey/L. Marcus (Cox)
 
    Christian Brothers Academy Crew (CBA) (A)
 
    Churchill Crew (A)
K. jurrens/B. Clarke/B. Berger/B. Hartmann/M. Goohs (Cox)
 
    Concord High School (A)
B. Cannarella/R. Walsh/E. Carr/C. Reid/W. Lawrence (Cox)
 
    Egg Harbor Township High School (A)
A. Merendino/Z. Ballard/R. Behm/j. nguyen/A. Alfaro (Cox)
 
    Father Judge High School (A)
A. Coelho/J. Solecki/T. Butler/S. Cressman/S. Izzi (Cox)
 
    Haddonfield Crew Club (A)
Z. Ruggiero/L. Mersky/M. Van Buskirk/A. Fisher/I. Diavolitsis (Cox)
 
    Iona Preparatory School (A)
A. Calvi/J. Hoak/J. Garvey/J. Jeraci/J. Kramer (Cox)
 
    Kearny High School (A)
Z. Myers/C. McMillan/C. Da Silva/M. Martin/D. Amorim (Cox)
 
    La Salle College High School (A)
A. Olbrich/J. Smith/S. Altier/N. Conroy/K. Kirlin (Cox)
 
    Philadelphia City Rowing, Inc. (A)
 
    Radnor High School Crew Club (A)
L. Williams/M. Palmer/M. Wilton/M. Fitzpatrick/J. Anderson (Cox)/
 
    The Episcopal Academy - PA (A)
W. Purtill/N. Horbowy/C. Andrews/N. Christianson/M. Larkin (Cox)
 
    The Hill School (A)
C. Gorycki/C. Schiavone/T. Stone/N. Shvets/A. Willet (Cox)
 
    Unionville High School (A)
T. Worth/Z. Micklin/A. Ilgner/M. Defilippo/O. Robb (Cox)
 
    Vineland High School (A)
 
    Walter Johnson Crew Club Inc (A)
Z. Hicks/P. Whitehouse/R. Gibbons/C. Holland/C. Meier (Cox)
 
    St. Peters Preparatory School (B)
W. Slaski/C. Tanas/W. Mchugh/A. Scarpa/D. Niland (Cox)
 
    Unionville High School (B)
W. Sellers/M. Rizaldi/F. King/w. murphy/L. Hedgepeth (Cox)
 
47 Boys Varsity 4x
8
48 Boys Varsity 8+
14
    Archbishop Carroll High School (A)
J. O'Toole/M. Pakuris/L. Mason/L. Carlin/H. Alameno/N. Melocchi/J. Gould/D. Peterson/J. Erdlen (Cox)
 
    Don Bosco Preparatory High School (A)
T. Pierce/P. Stone/J. Giordano/G. Rubio/N. Afram/A. Tekerian/C. Mongelli/V. Garewal/J. Kelso (Cox)
 
    Harriton High School (A)
 
    Jesuit College Prep of Dallas (A)
J. Merkel/L. McCormack/J. Hofmeister/C. LeDoux/C. Lang/E. Doran/S. Tehan/J. Fontaine/J. French (Cox)
 
    La Salle College High School (A)
C. Hoekstra/B. Foley/E. Wilt/J. Knies/D. Tento/D. Senour/V. Armetta/K. MacMaster/J. Fabrizio (Cox)
 
    Mainland Regional High School (A)
 
    Montclair High School (A)
N. Michalitsianos/A. Zincani/K. Coplan/C. Fabian/I. Barnes/K. Schlemmer/K. Jensen/J. Moore/S. Corriere (Cox)
 
    Oakcrest Falcon H.S. Crew (A)
 
    Ocean City Crew Boosters, Inc. (A)
 
    St. Augustine Preparatory High School (A)
R. Fucetola/J. Leonetti/C. Spiers/N. Hartnett/V. Zanghi/B. Finley/T. Kolnik/D. Drew/H. Reed (Cox)
 
    St. Benedict's Preparatory School (A)
 
    St. Joseph's Preparatory School (A)
 
    St. Peters Preparatory School (A)
C. Maloney/B. Warco/A. Maxwell/J. bonnet/B. Bartoszek/F. Schuemann/J. Longenecker/R. Burgers III/E. Whitehead (Cox)
 
    The Haverford School (A)
A. Leith/G. Wuollet/L. Green/J. Li/J. O'Brien/M. Boston/D. Martinelli/T. Scheuritzel/G. Narzikul (Cox)
 
*-Event times, if listed, are tentative and subject to change